Leadership in Tech Episode 67: Interview With Douglas Laux (Part 1 of 2)
This is the first of two episodes where Zac and Errol interview a very special guest, Douglas Laux. Doug is a former CIA case officer, joins Zac and Errol to discuss his book and his time in the CIA, JSOC, even when he worked with DHL the trucking/logistics company. They talk about stories from his NY Times Best Selling book “Left of Boom: How A Young CIA Case Officer Penetrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda” and they compare them to time that Errol spent overseas as well.
We hope you enjoy this in-depth discussion about culture and experiences from the world’s most premiere spy agency, the CIA, through the lens of a real life former case officer.
Purchase his NY Times best selling book: “Left of Boom: How A Young CIA Case Officer Penetrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda”
This is Episode #67, Season 3, “Interview With Douglas Laux (Part 1 of 2)”.
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SPECIAL GUEST APPEARANCE BY: DOUGLAS LAUX
HOSTED BY: ERROL DOEBLER, ZAC RUIZ
PRODUCED BY: PAUL MASLANY, KARA WOOD
MUSIC: BIG BIG BOSS BY NICOLAS FALCON
Episode #67 Outline:
(runtime 34 minutes 30 seconds)
02:49: Start of main content: The show starts off with a discussion on Doug’s book Left of Boom: How A Young CIA Case Officer Penetrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Errol compares his life and career and Douglas life and career as ‘parallel’ and they discuss his time in the Middle East and his expectations vs. the reality and they compare their frustrations with bureaucratic machinations.
07:34: Errol describes Douglas life and career and his own as parallel before discussing their time in the Middle East and his expectations vs. the reality. They compare their frustrations with bureaucratic machinations they both had to deal with in their respective agencies.
17:56: Zac weighs in on their culture talk and ties it back into business, and how the company structures and cultures clash and affect each other. Douglas worked for DHL, a German logistics company, before he joined the CIA, and he weighs in on his thoughts of what a company culture is. They talk about the idea of a ‘cultural fit’ and how Douglas thinks anyone who hires a candidate who fits in the best vs. the one whos the most qualified is misguided. Companies try to emphasize a culture that is really just aesthetic. What is the real culture, and what is the employer's responsibility to the ‘culture’ and the employees within it?
27:31: Douglas talks about why he left the CIA, and they discuss how the leader can make the environment or ‘culture’ great or terrible much more than the generic company ‘culture’ could.